GPS Clinic

[640in604]

I was thinking of putting on a couple little GPS courses in the New Year. I know lots of people have GPSs and don't use them for riding. Maybe you have one and don't know how to use it? Ever ride a sweet trail, or find a great loop throuh the bush, and then want to share it with the rest of the DSBC gang by just sending them your GPS tracklog for them to follow? This course would be for you.

Basic format would be:


Beginners Course:
Friday night: 2 hours in the "classroom" (read: quiet corner of the bookstore, or gvmc clubhouse)going over GPS basics, and basic GPS navigation. Bring your own GPS, I will have a couple spares.

Saturday morning: GPS ride, we meet, load routes into the GPSs, then head out following the GPS route.


Advanced Course:
Mapping Software and route planning.
Advanced navigation, creating routes from tracklogs, creating your own maps for mapping GPSs.


I plan on organizing a few GPS rides this year, so this would be an ideal way to learn how to come along and participate. The GPS routes will be posted on the forum so you can download them yourself ahead of time.

We probably won't do this until the new year, but I want you to start thinking about it now. Check out http://www.cycoactive.com for more GPS information and the cool Touratech mounts for your bike. Let Santa have that link so he can stuff one in your stocking.

Tips I have learned (thanks BajaDave at griptwister dualsport tours (http://www.griptwister.com)) Hardwiring the GPS to your bike is THE ONLY WAY. Battery power fails almost immediately from the vibration about 60% of thetime. Also, make sure it is "always on" power, not switched with your key. GPSs draw very very little power, and it is a major P.I.T.A. when your GPS turns off everytime you stop for a break. The cheapest GPS will work fine for GPS riding, but the expensive ones mean you can carry fewer maps.

Post a reply if you would be interested in this course. No fees, of course.

Paul B

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Can I bring a sextant?:P

[ktmken]

I think that a GPS course would be fun. I use a Megellan Gold on my LC4,

I'll preface this by saying I know squat about GPS.

There's a sale on the Garmin Geko 201 GPS for $200

Same with the Magellan eXplorist 100 handheld GPS for $170.

Which one is better? Are either of them any good for doing trails etc? And any other info on these 2 would be helpfull. Thanks:hb:

[ktmken]

One thing I found that you have to take into consideration is...the size of the screen.

If you are struggling to see the screen while you are blasting down a one track, you might fall:?

Ken

ktmken wrote:
One thing I found that you have to take into consideration is...the size of the screen.

If you are struggling to see the screen while you are blasting down a one track, you might fall:?

Ken



:P:PI'm accustomed to falling:shock:

[640in604]

http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/garmin/geko201pic.jpgGeko 201 $164.95 Screen size 0.92"W x 1.5"H Too small!! Also, here's something to hate about this style: the buttons are above the screen. Whenever you are navigating menus on the GPS (pressing buttons) you block the display. Dumb.

http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/magellan/explorist100mid.gifThe explorist100 is not a bad little unit, but doesn't have the ability the connect to your computer for loading routes and waypoints (too tedious to enter through the buttons on the front).Notice the buttons arebelow the screen (smart)Also, it hasn't any support for external power (batteries only). Min you it's only $129.95

Those prices are in CAD$ from GPS central (http://www.gpscentral.com) which is a pretty good prices. Locally I would check Steveston Marine (in Langley), they have good prices on GPSes.

I'll post some more info on GPS selection soon.

Cheers!

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thanks 640.

I'm so old that I can remember Steveston Marine only being in Steveston:shock:

Always need more stainless fasteners:hb:

[vanmixman]

What mid priced GPS would you recommend for dual sport riding?



Scott

[Spiceboy]

Hi Paul,

I am very interested in attending your course. At this time I do not know how to read a GPS or own one.

Cheers.

[640in604]

I've been going to write this post eventually, but I knew it would be time consuming. I have a little time this evening so here goes...

Which is Better? Garmin or Magellan?
Either Magellan or Garmin are good. I seem to be a "Garmin" person, but a Baja tour company out of California swears by the Magellans. Either way, the components you'll need are:

1. GPS with or without some basic mapping capabilities
2. Mounting kit for the motorcycle
3. 12V Power Cable to Hardwire to motorcycle (so you don't rely on batteries)
4. Computer <--> GPS cable for downloading routes and uploading tracks

I visited GPCcentral (http://www.gpscentral.ca) on the web for the pictures and prices strictly for comparison.
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Magellan




Great comparison of Magellan models click here (http://www.gpscentral.ca/products/magellan/magellancomparison.htm)




http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/magellan/sportrakmap.jpghttp://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/ram_mounts/ramb149zma3.jpg (http://www.gpscentral.ca/products/magellan/sportrakmap.htm)



The least expensive GPS that Magellan has, that allows you to connect it to a computer is the SportTraK Map at $250, add to that another $80 for a "RAM" mount and a power cable to hardwire to your bike's electrical system and you have a $340 GPS solution for your bike. Not a bad unit either, and it comes with some waypoint software I think?). You pay a premium for its limited mapping capabilities, and it is not compatible with the Magellan Mapsend Canada TOPO software $109. (This is the most useful software to us Dual Sporters.) So this is probably NOT the way to go.






http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/magellan/mgold.jpg (http://www.gpscentral.ca/products/magellan/meridiangold.htm)http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/ram_mounts/ramb149zma2.jpg
So you're better off to go up to the Meridian Gold which is bundled several different ways. It's base price is only $40 more than the SportTrak Map. The rest of the accessories are similarly priced. The bundle it with the TOPO software for $380, so add other accessories including a memory card for this one and you are about $495 plus taxes. Add a nice touratech Mount on there (optionally) and you're up to $635! And if you want the colour screen add another $70.

The really nice thing about the Meridian for touring is the memory cards. It uses standard SD memory cards like you may use in your digital camera or MP3 player right now.




Garmin
Great comparison of Garmin models click here (http://www.gpscentral.ca/products/garmin/etrex&OtherUnitsComparison.htm).





http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/garmin/etrexPIC.jpg (http://www.gpscentral.ca/products/garmin/etrex.htm)http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/b149ga5.jpg
The least expensive Garmin GPS that we connect up to our computers is the ETrex series. Starting at $129, once you add the accessories you require for bike mounting and uploading downloading tracks, routes & waypoints (another $150) you are in for $280 plus taxes. This GPS has no mapping capabilities, so we're not really making a comparison against the Magellan Meridian, not even close. But the issue here is that for under $300 you are good to go GPS riding!!








http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/eTrexLegendpic.jpg (http://www.gpscentral.ca/products/garmin/etrexlegend.htm)
So a better comparison might be the ETrex Legend $195 which has the mapping capabilities.So about$345 on your bike. If you add the Garmin Mapsource TOPO $150 and for justaround $500 you are all set.Noneof the other garmin GPSs thathave the buttons above the screen are acceptable,because your hand blocks the display when you press the buttons.








http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/gpsVpic2.jpg
The GPS V is anvery popular GPS with the motorcycle crowd that would put your total up over $650. Touratech makes some sexy mounts for these!







http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/garmin/GPSMAP60CSmall.jpg







TheGPSMAP 60C would stretch you out to about $750 (it comes with its USB programming cable).256 Colours (the Meridian colour is only 16 colours!)Touratech makes some sexy mounts for these too!;)

These are all approximate price comparisons of course, I let you guys do some of the work...








Conclusions:
You can see that for any GPS the accessories cost is about $100-150 depending on what comes in the box with the GPS unit to get it wired and mounted to your bike. Add about another $120 to 180 if you go with the Touratech mounts. So the question is really, how much am I willing to spend on the base unit, and what are the most important features?

I'd recommend the cheapest GPS that gets you riding (the ETrex) and you can do what I did, run batteries in itand Duct Tape it to your bike (seriously I did). So you're only out the $129, and you're riding! You can name waypoint and save tracks on the unit, you can manualy enter waypoint and routes that someone gives you from their GPS.

BUT, if the GPS keep turning off on you because its running on batteries, you could have left it at home. Same if you spend all night before the ride manually entering the route waypoints and creating the routes and hopefully didn't make any transcription errorspecking a couple hundred digits into your GPS. You would have spend the $80 to get the cables to hardwire it to your bike and connect it to your computer to download the waypoint files and such.

Don't get me started on the duct tape... The RAM mounts work well, and the RAM ball mounts eliminate a lot of the vibration. The Touratech units introduce another level of vibration elimination which SHOULD add to the longevity of the GPS. They also have locking models etc...

My Dualsport/Adventure Riding GPS recommendations in escalating price order:
Garmin ETrex
Garmin ETrex Legend
Magellan Meridian Gold
Garmin GPSMAP 60C
Garmin GPSMAP 276C



My Personal GPS


I run the GPSMAP 60C [purchased from Steveston Marine in Langley for $550] , and just love it. It has a LARGE TEXT mode which is nice, and the USB cable for downloading means you can fill it with TOPO maps of most of BC in a few minutes. The regular serial cables take FOREVER!!! The display is very bright even in direct sunlight!I have the Touratech mount and hardwired it to the bike. I'm a gadget geek, so I'm probably going to sell it and get a Garmin 276C. Pretty much the same unit just BIGGER!!

Not that bigger is better, well, it is actually. People with smallGPSes will tell you diferent ! It just costs too darned much. I have a friend that is selling me his 276C for a deal, if it weren't for that, I would keep the 60C.

I loaned out my old ETrex to a buddy of mine and he used the patented Duct Tape mount on his ATV when he went hunting this year. Worked excellent, he was very impressed.




Keep in mind that this will be your first GPS (some of you) not your last. Some of you will later sellthis GPSand move up to another model, and some will just sell them period.;)

Footnotes:
If anyone has any comments on this post, please send them to me. I will edit this post a couple times and add more information and links as I see fit.I've been at this for a couple hours now and I'm running out of steam.I am not a GPS-expert, or a know-it-all, I have just done a bunch of the consumer research, read the on-line forums, reviewed the specs, and so on. My opinions offered here are worth exactly what you paid for them. Enjoy.:)




GPScentral is a Canadian company in Alberta and does have good prices and lots of useful information on the net. If you are comfortable buying online, its a good place I suppose (I haven't bought anything from them). I am not endorsing themeither way. Support your local communinty retailers whenever possible, it's nice to have the local stock and customer service. Touratech-USA is just across the line in Seattle and they KNOW BIKES AND GPSs. I HIGHLY recommend talking to them for your GPS accessories (mounts and cables etc...) they are great, and usually have most things in stock.
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[ktmken]

When I was looking for my GPS 1 year ago, Wallmart had the best prices. I bought my Ram mount from GPS central in Calgary. I have got the GPS hardwired directly to the battery and I have had no problems at all.

I am looking forward to having some GPS orientated rides in the future.

Ken

[640in604]

Walmart is where I bought my ETrex originally. $180 at the time! I bought the comms cable and power plug combo from GPSCity I think online. My buddy has the eTrex summit and mountfor his ATV, running on batteries the thing cuts out in 10 minutes riding.

Taping the batteries is one method for curing that, although a waay better solution is to hardwire as you have done Ken.



Cheers!

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[Spiceboy]

Thanks Paul for taking the time for to print out all this info. Looking forward to your course.

Cheers!

[640in604]

SOLD!!

[DRuZer]

I'd be interested.
Love the riding part!
Thanks Paul

[flippy]

Hey 640:

I'm thinking of getting the eTrex Legend. I looked at the handle mount for the Legend and it looks cheap ie, cause vibrations and maybe fall off the bike handle. Can you recomment an alternaitve? I know that Touratech has one but it is pricy. What is yours?

[640in604]

flippy wrote:
Hey 640:

I'm thinking of getting the eTrex Legend. I looked at the handle mount for the Legend and it looks cheap ie, cause vibrations and maybe fall off the bike handle. Can you recomment an alternaitve? I know that Touratech has one but it is pricy. What is yours?


http://www.gpscentral.ca/graphics/b149ga5.jpgThe RAM mounts are inexpensive plastic and work well. The Touratech mount is way more money, but "more secure". A RAM mount with a couple elastic bands around the top would work like a charm.

They're about $40 complete from GPSCentral.

My mount is a Touratech one.

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[flippy]

Hey 640:

Are you still planning on having your seminar on GPS soon? If so, can you show how to 'hard wire' a GPS to the bike?

Thanks

[640in604]

I haven't come up with a date yet for the course, but we can get together and hardwire your GPS onto your bike anytime. PM me and we'll set up a time to have a look at it (your bike and the GPS).

[flippy]

Ordered from GPSCentral a Garmin eTrex Legend with mounting and cigarette lighter adapter. It should be here by end of the month.

640: looks like you'll have to now do the GPS clinic eh? ;)

Waiting...

[640in604]

I'm looking forward to it!

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[rainman]

rainman here Your gps idea is a good one buut you should understand that some of us use a ogps system .This translates to old geyser positioning system Xtradarman and I use this one and have not been lost yet. Or you could use my old dads system that is take a deck of cards with you then when your lost just park your bike sit down and start a game of solitaire , I promise some one will show up and tell you how to play .xtradar man has a neat gps mount that we built .I will get him to post some pictures

[XT Radarman]

Here isa pic of my GPS & Holder. It was made of Aluminum and TIG Welded. Rainman found me a bracket off of a handlebar crash bar mount. I will send more pics later.

XT Radarman

[sail_lots]

I have just got my new GPS unit


A Garmin 60C


What software would you suggest?

any and all ideas welcome

Topo Canada

Or one of the road maps?????

[640in604]

The onlymapset I have for my Garmin is the Topo Canada set. I have found it great so far, for logging roads and such. If you want to be able to find gas and restaurants, you'll need the Metroguide Mapset. I'll probably get that one too, you can use both at once (sort of).

Anyone have the Metroguide Mapset, and have any comments?

Looks like there's about 6 people interested in a GPS clinic, so I had better get busy... Watch for news on that!

Cheers!
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[joker650]

Anyone try the Back Road map book on CD ?

It's GPS friendly and only $40.

[klrjohn]

when are you putting on the gps clinic.I will need a lot of help. Thanks .klr john

[Summitteer]

I'm thinking of getting the Garmin V delux. Just waiting for my tax refund :hb: Is there anything I should know about it before hand? I'm thinking of getting it from cycoactive.com. Are their prices reasonable or is there somewhere that is cheaper? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Scott

[vanmixman]

Try www.gpscentral.com (http://www.gpscentral.com)

they mail order.

[rusty]

604: please ignore my post in the other section, i've found what i need right here!

what do i need to hardwire the gps to the bike, can it be bought at gps central?

rusty wires

[640in604]

Rusty - yup! What GPS?

640in604

[640in604]

Deal on advrider

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74713

Garmin GPSV $150 firm (that'd be USD)
http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/images/G00226-3_lg.jpg
No software included.

Tourtech super mount $75 firm
http://www.touratech-usa.com/shop/media2/01-065-0035-01.jpg

Buy both for $200 firm

Items are plus shipping (I'll add a little based on your local.) I'll take PayPal if you add 2 percent. Otherwise cashier's check or MO. No personal checks and no hard luck stories. http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/1drink.gif

doc_riverz@comcast.net (mailto:doc_riverz@comcast.net)

[joker650]

WOW!!

What a deal!

What is the soft wear worth 640in604??



16.5in250

[hightoweratwork]

Hey did you ever have the course on GPS?

Is there any body upgrading ?

:hb:

[640in604]

We never did have a course...too busy riding this year I guess.Maybe late October.

Paul

[IanB]

640in604 wrote:
We never did have a course...too busy riding this year I guess.Maybe late October.

Paul




Hey Paul, this seems like a bit of a coincidence. Last weekend, 7 of us were up around Logan Lake and I had my Garmin 60C with me for the first time off road. I have used it for about a year on-road using mainly City Select V5, but never off until I got my touratec mount.

The whole subject seemed to raise a lot of interest both from critics and curious alike. I was just about to launch a new thread to establish 'who new what' on the subject, when I read this.

Anyway, here is my 5 penny's worth :

I was using Topo Canada with limited success with the following observations on it's suitability for our use.

1) Minor roads and dirt roads only become visable at a zoom scale of 1.2k, which doesn't give enough overall view to plan a route which leaves me frustratingly moving the pointer all over the place on the trail.

2) The basemap itself must be at least 20 years old, as features like the Highland Mine at Logan Lake are not marked. (Opened in the late 70's I understand). This means that unless the roads have been updated for more recent use by logging or others, they are very overgrown and/or unpassable. We were all on DRZ 400's so some of them were pretty challenging!! Anything else - forget it! On the plus side, had we not had the GPS, we would never have known they were there at all!!

3) The base map seems to have plenty of detail regarding contours and waterways although much of this could do with being less for our uses.

4) The routing function worked well notwithstanding that it often routes you on roads that do not exist and ignors roads that do because they are not present on the basemap.

I have the BC Backroads Digital version, but as you probably know, this in itself is not directly downloadable to a GPS without some additional software which I am going to investigate next. I would welcome any input from anyone who has done this or has had success with any other basemaps for BC.

My experiences with the GPS so far has convinced me that this is the way to go, but it seems to me, thatthe Hardware technology on any of the current models, is way ahead of the mapping here in BC, and until such time as this is updated, we will continue to only be able to use these devices as backup to the good old paper map.

I would welcome your thoughts and experiences(and anyone elses). I am pretty sure that there would be a good deal more interest now in having a course put on over the winter if you feel inclined.

Ian

[tomcycle]

IanB wrote:
640in604 wrote:
We never did have a course...too busy riding this year I guess.Maybe late October.

Paul




Hey Paul, this seems like a bit of a coincidence. Last weekend, 7 of us were up around Logan Lake and I had my Garmin 60C with me for the first time off road. I have used it for about a year on-road using mainly City Select V5, but never off until I got my touratec mount.




I was on that ride, and now I am convinced that a GPS is the way to go. But I must admit I think a guy on a dirt bike is determining if these are roads on Ian"s GPS. After a little time at Tunkwa Lake we discovered that this think had a uncanny knack for finding old road grades really old. Some of them not much more than a trail. If I owned a GS or V Strom and tried to follow some of the route this thing was leading us to, I would be in tears. Lucky for me I was on the DR400 and we had a great time.

Time to get that GPS seminar happening.

Lets Do It.:ted:

TT

[640in604]

Safety mode on:
Carry Maps and a Compass if you are going exploring, and KNOW HOW TO USE THEM!!!! :shoot:And the gear you need to survive overnight if the trip warrants it. If you're only means of navigating if by GPS and you are in the backcountry, you are putting your life in great danger unecessarily.:hr: Carry a backup GPS or Satellite phone with you.

Safety mode off:
Good comments on the potential shortfalls of GPS reliance, don't forget that in dense forested areas, you will lose contact with satellites and be unable to navigate. Same goes for some very steep valleys with lotsa trees.

Although a GPS can help you "plunk around", I find it is often used better if you "plan before you plunk". Although I have had similar experience of following a "road" that was a single cow-trail over a million blow downs. I had fun though!

I haven't found the road visbility at 1.2km zoom to be an issue, I'm pretty sure mine is vis above that. Maybe check your map detail settings? Or could just be a diff between 60C and 276C?

So how do you use great map sources like the Mussio ventures stuff with your mapping or non mapping GPS so you can overcome some of these shortfalls? The easiest answer is WAYPOINTS and ROUTES. The harder, and somewhat cooler answer is EDIT YOUR MAPS in your GPS.

Either way, this requires GPS School Chapter 1:"Allow me a little latitude here your honour"

[if you are familiar with Latitude and Longitude, stop reading this NOW! Cuz I'm just makin this up as I go from memory]

There is a method of describing your position on the earth by your position relative to the North and South poles (Latitude) and your position relative to the imaginary International Date Line (Longititude). If you cut an orange into wedges, you would be cutting along lines of Longitude. If you cut an orange into circular slices, you would be cutting along lines of latitude. If there was a spot anywhere on the orange's surface, you could cut through it with a longitude (wedge)cut and also with a latitude (circle slice) cut.

The Earth is a Sphere (well more like a pear shape really). But using our orange analogy, imagine you drew the Earth as you see it on your globe onto your orange. Then carefully peel the orange. OK, here's the hard part. The orange is all curvy, and our maps are flat! So you have to "smoosh" the orange peel out to make it flat and stretch the the tops and bottoms out where you would have huge gaps otherwise.

There is a method of representing the geography of the earth in a rectangular format called a "mercator projection". The map doesn't really look like the Earth very much and most of it is out of proportion. It has been "smooshed". Why do make a map that doesn't look like the Earth?:shock:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/m/z/mzw115/mercator_map.jpg

Take a pipe-cleaner and start it at one point on your orange and bend it around the orange to another point on the other side. Pull it off the orange and you have this curved thing.Try measuring the length of that curved thingwith something like a ruler (meant for measuring flat things). Not easy. But if flatten it out, it becomes easy to measure!

Because in the mercatorprojection (rectangular format), you can draw a straight line betweenany two points on the Earth's surface. Straight! This is the magic of it. So for navigation, it is easy to plot and calculate where on Earth you are, or plan to be!:tup:

So we can reference our position on the earth to a rectangular projection (map)of the earth by describing or distance from the equator (latitiude or La for short) and by describing our distance from the Prime Meridian (aka International dateline).

An example would be N49 03.474 W122 28.236 (Aldergrove) Which reads North of the equator by 49 degrees ( just over halfway, remember 90 degrees from the equator to north pole) and West 122 degrees fromthe Prime Meridian.

"Meridian" is what lines of longitude are called. "At the hundreth meridian, at the hundreth meridian, where the great plains begin..." -Tragically Hip.

Lines of Latitude are called "parallels" of latitude. Since unlike meridians that get close together at the poles (remeber the wedges?), the slices of latitude are always parallel to one another. What's cool about this is that one minute (1/60th of a degree) of latitude is equal to 1 nautical mile. Cool huh?

Anyway, now you know what Latitude an Longitude is, and this is some of the information that your GPS gives you. So if you have a map that is marked with Lat and Lon, and you know your Lat and Lon from your GPS, you can find where you are on the map.

Useful? Possibly.:?

What about if you did it the other way? Where you knew the Lat and Lon of a place(s) you wanted to go. You can enter these into your GPS as locations called "WAYPOINTS". You can load a bunch of these WAYPOINTS into your GPS to describe maybe the major intersections on a trail you want to ride. Label the points in the direction you want to ride sequentially say, 1 to 10.

With these loaded into your GPS, you can then use the "GOTO" command on your GPS to tell it to GOTO WAYPOINT 1. It would then display an arrow, or tell you how far away and in which direction (relative to where you are headed now) the WAYPOINT 1 is. Once you get there you could use the GOTO command again to tell it to GOTO Waypoint 2.:hf:

You can string a bunch of GOTOs together by forming what we call a "ROUTE". A ROUTE is just a list of predefined WAYPOINTS to follow in a given order. So instead of GOTO'ing each individual WAYPOINT, you make a ROUTE named "TRAIL" for instance, and it is just a list of your WAYPOINTs 1 through 10. You can then command your GPS to follow ROUTE: TRAIL. It will start by directing you to the first WAYPOINT, and then when you get to that point, it will automatically switch to WAYPOINT2 and so on...

ok, I'm outta gas tonight.:cf2:Stay tuned for Chapter 2.:ted:

Paul
640in604

[spam and eggs]

I am with you... but hungry after all the talk of sliced oranges....nice inclusion of the Hip song lyrics, I was getting tired of only have the "New Orleans is sinking" lyrics running over and over in my head.

Your most humble grasshopper,

Spam

[spam and eggs]

Just read the 1st page too... be very interested in a "get-together" class...

[Crash Davis]

Definitely count me in for a GPS session. I'm riding to South America with my fiance in early Nov/05 and would love to learn more. I have a Garmin Legend. ANy recommendations on what a good South America map is?

[Scottiedogg]

Here are a couple more photo's for anyone to have a look at. The one from my truck just gives you an idea of the hardware you can buy to mount it. I had great luck in ordering everything I needed for mounting from GPS City Canada. They carry a huge selection of Ram Mounts.



Cheers

Scottie:f:

[Scottiedogg]

Sorry I tried attaching them both to one post, but I think the files were to big...



Scottie:f:

[joker650]

So Paul.......................(525in604) hehehe



What about a seminar on the same weekend as the MC show?

Theres a coupl guys up here are interested. Can your house hold 57 people?:dr:hehehe

[ktmken]

58 people, I would like to join you.

[vanmixman]

I just found a GPS course offered by trail peak. Here is the link



http://www.trailpeak.com/



Scott (vanmixman)